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Published on August 11th, 2009 | by Deejay Knight, Editor/Founder

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Xbox Live Update Brings Avatar Marketplace Pricing Debate to Twitter

Today, when you turn on your Xbox 360, you’ll be treated to a host of  new features. Netflix updates, interface updates, and a new place in your dashboard that allows you to customize your online persona in new and exciting ways. Xbox Live’s Avatar Marketplace is now open for business.

While for many gamers the new feature is all fine and good, for many others, it’s proving to be the battle of the century.

The reason for this ongoing battle? The pricing of the Avatar Marketplace. Some things, like tees caps, and various other Avatar-decking apparel are available for the low price of 80 MS Points, which translates into $1.00 in US currency. Those are cool. The debates are being stemmed by a relative few items, which are proving to be a bit more expensive.

Take for instance the fact that you can now wear a Clone Trooper uniform, a Clone Trooper Helmet, a Blue Lightsaber, or even a custom Skateboard. The problem many gamers are facing is that the Clone Trooper Uniform & Blue Saber will run you 400 MS Points, or $5, the skateboard will run you 240 MS Points, or $3, and the Clone Trooper Helmet will cost you 140 MS Points, or $1.75. Here’s what they look like, courtesy of Destructoid.com:

Clone Trooper Avatar Helmet - 140 MS Points Clone Trooper Avatar Uniform - 400 MS Points Avatar Lightsaber - 400 MS Points Avatar Skateboard - 240 MS Points

Now, by no stretch of the imagination am I going to deny that I’d love to rock Clone Trooper gear, but once I did the math I realized that the whole outfit costs 540 MS Points – a whole $6.75 for a customization on my avatar. Let’s say I wanted to get all Star Wars’ed up and get the saber as well? The whole shebang-a-bang will run me 940 Points, or $11.75. I can keep going. Fable II’s Highwayman Armor, once you round up all the pieces costs 440 MS Points, or $5.50.

Let’s just say that people aren’t enthused about this. There are tons of whole Xbox Live Arcade games that are less expensive than even the Lightsaber. Gin Rummy is only 400 MS Points. You can buy ‘Splosion Man – which has been getting rave reviews – for 140 points less than the full Star Wars Clone Trooper/Lightsaber set.

The point I’m making with all this is not only are these prices well beyond what they should be – and what they were announced to be originally. I’ve been doing a bit of chatting on Twitter, making my feelings known about how ridiculous this pricing is all morning, and came up with the perfect hashtag to explain my feelings on this ridiculousness: #AMPSucks. It means Avatar Marketplace Pricing Sucks.

I won’t be the one to try and tell anyone that they’re stupid for customizing their avatar (neither are they, but it’s a great article), but I do pose a question:

If it were possible to pay less than the prices that they’re currently asking for on Xbox Live’s Avatar Marketplace, would you like to save some of your points by paying less?

I’d imagine you would. If that’s the case, and you’d like to see lower prices on the Avatar Marketplace, I ask you to retweet the following message:

“I don’t like the new Avatar Marketplace Pricing Structure. #AMPSucks, so lower the price, Microsoft! http://is.gd/2c97E

Of course, you can take out the @DeejayKnight if you like. All it really takes is to help get #AMPSucks trending and staying there. The goal here is to get Microsoft to notice that we’ll be voting with our wallets by *not* buying any of the avatar upgrades until they lower the price.

This isn’t about being rich or poor. It’s not about fighting against downloadable content, or begging for free content (though some of it should be free anyways). This is about making enough noise that Microsoft hears our collective voices and lowers the price of this content. Even if they were to drop the price of whole costumes (including helmets) to 240 MS Points rather than 540+, the sales would rise due to the lower cost. Coding Horror wrote an article regarding digital software that fits this argument (and others regarding Xbox Live) perfectly.

I sincerely hope they lower prices soon. Because I’d LOVE to wear some Splinter Cell: Conviction gear on my Avatar. I’m just not spending $5 to do it. You shouldn’t either. Use #AMPSucks on Twitter and let them know how you feel!

Update

It seems that word has been getting around the gaming community about #AMPSucks! Not everyone agrees with the concept, it’s sparking some serious discussion, which is a part of what #AMPSucks was meant to do.

Ken Crockett over at XcastOnline wrote an article called “Are Avatars Worth Spending Money On?“, in which he defends Microsoft’s charging for Avatar related goods. Have a read, then read my reply, which I’ve posted here as well:

This is a great article, Ken!

I like the fact that you added one particular phrase:

“Very quickly people realized that Microsoft, an actual business, would like to do just that – run a business and make money.”

That gets right to the heart of the discussion at hand, really. The business side of Microsoft wants to make money, and that part is completely expected and understandable. To be completely honest, if I was ever in the position to charge for something, you couldn’t make a better choice than Star Wars!

To clarify though, #AMPSucks isn’t about stopping Microsoft from making money – to the contrary, it merely suggests lower prices. Lower prices = more purchases = more MS Points spent in the Marketplace.

You see, the trend I’ve noticed on Xbox Live is that prices consistently go up. XBLA Games started at 800 Points but now regularly release at 1200 Points, themes have gone up in price, and now the Avatar Marketplace is selling items at prices rivaling some Arcade titles.

The biggest reason for #AMPSucks outside of the already high prices (in my opinion of course) is the [i]already set[/i] precedence for raising those prices later. If thos of us who think the prices are too high sit complacently in the beginning, it’ll be too late to combat when Avatar gear hits the 800 & 1200 Points.

I have never, nor will I ever be someone who tells others how to spend their money (until my wife and I have kids, that is). That’s not what I do. Adults are free to spend their money on what they wish. #AMPSucks just aims to give them more for their money.

I figured those words were important enough to be brought here. Do you agree? You know what to tweet.

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About the Author

Deejay has been a gamer since the Atari 2600, has wrestled–and defeated–alligators with only his toes, and once aligned all the planets in the Solar System by uttering the words "Coo Coo Ka-Choo". In his sleep. He currently bides his time behind the scenes here at GAMINGtruth.com, streaming at http://www.twitch.tv/deejayknight and teaching.



  • http://carocat.co.uk/ carocat

    Retweeted, albeit slightly different.

    You might wanna include a link back to this post in your suggested tweet in the post. Just sayin'. 🙂

  • http://carocat.co.uk/ carocat

    Retweeted, albeit slightly different.

    You might wanna include a link back to this post in your suggested tweet in the post. Just sayin’. 🙂

    • http://www.gamingtruth.com DeejayKnight

      Touche, carocat. The RT request has been updated. 🙂 Thanks for the suggestion!

  • http://www.gamingtruth.com DeejayKnight

    Touche, carocat. The RT request has been updated. 🙂 Thanks for the suggestion!

  • LaWiiG

    Its true. I can say that I enjoy the hassle free time i have to just use my xbox for netflix. Or leaving my windows media center music on during a little get together for some adult sodas. Even so, the netflix cost money and yeah it was great coming from the orginal dashboard to this, but again, whats the cost? The average gamer, I would say like myself, takes what money they can and picks and chooses when they can buy other items. Now throw some more downloadable content in the mix and the budget gets thinner.

  • Anonymous

    Its true. I can say that I enjoy the hassle free time i have to just use my xbox for netflix. Or leaving my windows media center music on during a little get together for some adult sodas. Even so, the netflix cost money and yeah it was great coming from the orginal dashboard to this, but again, whats the cost? The average gamer, I would say like myself, takes what money they can and picks and chooses when they can buy other items. Now throw some more downloadable content in the mix and the budget gets thinner.

  • rich_reed

    I agree the pricing is too high and needs adjusted. I also think it's a good idea to let MS know how you feel for those that agree. The only thing is that I have seen a few tweets that could be taken the wrong way. With anything like this you want to get your point across and try at the same time to be careful that you are not coming across the wrong way. It's the horse Armor pack all over again and as long as people are buying the items it makes it harder to get MS or anyone to listen. I think the editorial was truthful and brings out some very good points. I also disagree with the games on demand pricing and I am hoping MS changes that as well but I guess time will tell.

  • Cat

    You linked to this site through a response to Major Nelson — and that is how I came here. Thanks for this — I agree with you in many ways. The Star Wars outfit is a particular gripe — even though I don't consider myself a Star Wars fan. The pricing for that particular costume is utterly unfair; the lightsaber should be the same price as any other accessory — like the guitar or skateboard. Instead it's been singles out for “emotional” pricing — they know people will want it so they charge more. If that's not typical MS I don't know what is.

    And not that I care about this, either — but $5 gets you a whole apartment in Home. “Yeah but's Home” most gamers will say. True, but it's a much better application for these avatars anyway. XBOX avatars have reduced all to playing with paper dolls.

    But anyway, I wouldn't dressing up my dolly — except the clothes for female avatars suck royally. I'm glad they added a t-shirt with optional colors. And I'm happy to see Sam Fisher's outfit available. That's cause for hope — prior to this update my main complaint was that clothes for women were gender specific. Why can I have two pairs of hot pants but no lounge pants? Even the jeans suck. How many pairs of jeans do guys have? Women have two, and they're both lame. Worst of all is that women can't have converse-style gym shoes. They use a bloody buggery picture of that very shoe as their icon in the clothes marketplace!!! and yet it's only available to one side of the gaming community.

  • Anonymous

    I agree the pricing is too high and needs adjusted. I also think it’s a good idea to let MS know how you feel for those that agree. The only thing is that I have seen a few tweets that could be taken the wrong way. With anything like this you want to get your point across and try at the same time to be careful that you are not coming across the wrong way. It’s the horse Armor pack all over again and as long as people are buying the items it makes it harder to get MS or anyone to listen. I think the editorial was truthful and brings out some very good points. I also disagree with the games on demand pricing and I am hoping MS changes that as well but I guess time will tell.

  • http://www.tymme.org/ Tymme

    The problem is not that some content costs $5 while other stuff costs $1. The problem is people are paying for this at all. Because of micropurchases, you no longer get patches; you pay for updates that add content. You pay for bonus content you used to unlock, or would download as a mod (either by developers or others) on the PC.

    At least the games are complete, and the prices are relatively low (vs. the expansion packs for Sims 2 or 3, Spore, et al.)… but someone must be buying these to have MS investing that much time and money into its' development. That's where the problem starts.

  • Cat

    You linked to this site through a response to Major Nelson — and that is how I came here. Thanks for this — I agree with you in many ways. The Star Wars outfit is a particular gripe — even though I don’t consider myself a Star Wars fan. The pricing for that particular costume is utterly unfair; the lightsaber should be the same price as any other accessory — like the guitar or skateboard. Instead it’s been singles out for “emotional” pricing — they know people will want it so they charge more. If that’s not typical MS I don’t know what is.

    And not that I care about this, either — but $5 gets you a whole apartment in Home. “Yeah but’s Home” most gamers will say. True, but it’s a much better application for these avatars anyway. XBOX avatars have reduced all to playing with paper dolls.

    But anyway, I wouldn’t dressing up my dolly — except the clothes for female avatars suck royally. I’m glad they added a t-shirt with optional colors. And I’m happy to see Sam Fisher’s outfit available. That’s cause for hope — prior to this update my main complaint was that clothes for women were gender specific. Why can I have two pairs of hot pants but no lounge pants? Even the jeans suck. How many pairs of jeans do guys have? Women have two, and they’re both lame. Worst of all is that women can’t have converse-style gym shoes. They use a bloody buggery picture of that very shoe as their icon in the clothes marketplace!!! and yet it’s only available to one side of the gaming community.

  • Cat

    I know what you're saying but it's just like anything else — there will always be dummies who don't care about how much something costs, they just want to have it for the sake having it.

    Why else would the skateboard or guitar or remote controlled car all be one price — and the lightsaber significantly more? It's exploitative.

  • http://www.tymme.org/ Tymme

    The problem is not that some content costs $5 while other stuff costs $1. The problem is people are paying for this at all. Because of micropurchases, you no longer get patches; you pay for updates that add content. You pay for bonus content you used to unlock, or would download as a mod (either by developers or others) on the PC.

    At least the games are complete, and the prices are relatively low (vs. the expansion packs for Sims 2 or 3, Spore, et al.)… but someone must be buying these to have MS investing that much time and money into its’ development. That’s where the problem starts.

    • Cat

      I know what you’re saying but it’s just like anything else — there will always be dummies who don’t care about how much something costs, they just want to have it for the sake having it.

      Why else would the skateboard or guitar or remote controlled car all be one price — and the lightsaber significantly more? It’s exploitative.

  • TheMacJedi

    I hadn't even considered this part of the problem.

    http://forums.xbox.com/28547890/ShowPost.aspx

  • TheMacJedi

    I hadn’t even considered this part of the problem.

    http://forums.xbox.com/28547890/ShowPost.aspx

  • mrpauljames

    Dude at the end of the day if you think it's too expensive don't buy it. They're not forcing you to buy it. Microsoft aren't saying “Buy our avatar stuff or you can't play on xbox live anymore”.

    Point is, you don't need it, much like you don't NEED an XBOX, or a computer, people buy what they can afford.

    Besides, if they lowered the price of the lightsaber to say, 80 points, then everyone would buy one and it wouldn't be special. I like the fact that not many people have the lightsaber and I do.

    Yes that's right I paid 400 points for something that isn't real, and you know what, I don't regret it. I bought it because I wanted it and I have the spare cash to buy it.

    Simplez!

  • http://www.gamingtruth.com DeejayKnight

    That's just the thing, mrpauljames, I'm *not* buying it! I'm just giving others who don't agree with the concept to make our choices known to MS.

    My wallet is voting no, yours is voting yes. Can't we agree to disagree on the subject without getting up in arms?

    Also, at the end of the day, more less expensive options to upgrade your Avatar's appearance make it a lot easier to be different. The chances of having the *exact* same clothing as others decreases with the more options there are. Not to mention that all the *cool* stuff that people have been waiting for seems to magically have dropped when the prices are higher!

    I'm merely giving food for thought. You don't agree, and that's fine.

    Thanks for posting your opinion!

  • Anonymous

    Dude at the end of the day if you think it’s too expensive don’t buy it. They’re not forcing you to buy it. Microsoft aren’t saying “Buy our avatar stuff or you can’t play on xbox live anymore”.

    Point is, you don’t need it, much like you don’t NEED an XBOX, or a computer, people buy what they can afford.

    Besides, if they lowered the price of the lightsaber to say, 80 points, then everyone would buy one and it wouldn’t be special. I like the fact that not many people have the lightsaber and I do.

    Yes that’s right I paid 400 points for something that isn’t real, and you know what, I don’t regret it. I bought it because I wanted it and I have the spare cash to buy it.

    Simplez!

    • http://www.gamingtruth.com DeejayKnight

      That’s just the thing, mrpauljames, I’m *not* buying it! I’m just giving others who don’t agree with the concept to make our choices known to MS.

      My wallet is voting no, yours is voting yes. Can’t we agree to disagree on the subject without getting up in arms?

      Also, at the end of the day, more less expensive options to upgrade your Avatar’s appearance make it a lot easier to be different. The chances of having the *exact* same clothing as others decreases with the more options there are. Not to mention that all the *cool* stuff that people have been waiting for seems to magically have dropped when the prices are higher!

      I’m merely giving food for thought. You don’t agree, and that’s fine.

      Thanks for posting your opinion!

  • Somethingninja

    i must say that i am a XBL member and the pricing in the market place are rediculus and i only bought about 3 things and it coasted about 1500 points thats a little much so i think microsoft should really think about changing pricing.

  • Anonymous

    i must say that i am a XBL member and the pricing in the market place are rediculus and i only bought about 3 things and it coasted about 1500 points thats a little much so i think microsoft should really think about changing pricing.

  • treschonde

    If Microsoft was truly truly intelligent, this would all be part of a clever plan. You announce low prices.. hike the release prices so that people rightly complain about the overpricing (and some people will buy regardless).. then, and this is the clever scheme part.. you lower prices to accommodate your gamers “request”.. and sales rocket.

  • Anonymous

    If Microsoft was truly truly intelligent, this would all be part of a clever plan. You announce low prices.. hike the release prices so that people rightly complain about the overpricing (and some people will buy regardless).. then, and this is the clever scheme part.. you lower prices to accommodate your gamers “request”.. and sales rocket.

  • treschonde

    If Microsoft was truly truly intelligent, this would all be part of a clever plan. You announce low prices.. hike the release prices so that people rightly complain about the overpricing (and some people will buy regardless).. then, and this is the clever scheme part.. you lower prices to accommodate your gamers “request”.. and sales rocket.

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